tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post9083694567340119394..comments2023-06-16T15:53:30.833+01:00Comments on What's this all about Vicar?(Formerly, Why do we have to do this Sir?): The State of Play"Sir"http://www.blogger.com/profile/03459619874470824848noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-45223171078247996232011-02-12T11:00:14.119+00:002011-02-12T11:00:14.119+00:00What the others said so eloquently! Your Lutheran ...What the others said so eloquently! Your Lutheran friendGöran Koch-Swahnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00925549945659350649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-83468364000920360682011-02-11T20:26:33.135+00:002011-02-11T20:26:33.135+00:00You'll be much in our prayers. We too are baf...You'll be much in our prayers. We too are baffled by what's happened. We have both enjoyed your thought provoking sermons very much we believe this situation is a great loss to the church.Eon and Tiinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-2789867301818186652011-02-09T14:56:23.681+00:002011-02-09T14:56:23.681+00:00"Things" are evolving here in the TEC, f..."Things" are evolving here in the TEC, from the pew upsward -- as it should be. Lay ministry is being seen in a new way, ordained ministry is being challenged and is going to have to be very different in our future. We cannot afford to support full time clergy; some cannot even afford to keep open their church. So where does that leave us? Floundering within that evolution of change. My son has been in this floundering for some years, and, yes, it is painful. Very painful. No advice here. Just heartfelt and continued prayer.Barbarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14446216858079895691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-17163637873106606622011-02-08T14:51:22.807+00:002011-02-08T14:51:22.807+00:00You are in all our prayers. I am sure this is not ...You are in all our prayers. I am sure this is not the end of the story for you.Cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14082263093224795131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-69841006701966054012011-02-08T03:11:36.758+00:002011-02-08T03:11:36.758+00:00Wasn't it St. Paul who remarked somewhere that...Wasn't it St. Paul who remarked somewhere that "I wanted to go to place A, but people opposed me, so I went to place B instead." And had a very fruitful ministry there. So a frustrating roadblock can end up being the detour to great success, eventually.<br /><br />Pain is a great teacher, but sounds like you are evolving as you should. Excellent. No doubt the proper path from here will be evident in due course. Hang in there.Russ Manleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05722260145543178087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-59171548305348306172011-02-07T22:30:24.550+00:002011-02-07T22:30:24.550+00:00What Mimi said. Keeping you in my heart.What Mimi said. Keeping you in my heart.Mary Claranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-43632414675984212372011-02-07T20:14:44.497+00:002011-02-07T20:14:44.497+00:00Given your last comment Sir I just think the whole...Given your last comment Sir I just think the whole thing stinks. I can not believe you can go all the way through the process and then have the rug pulled out.<br />Being the old cynic that I am I suspect their is some political influence here but they haven't actually got the guts to nail their colours to the mast.<br />Praying for you and for God's guidance.Fat Prophethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05180456857091238743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-70889863655298903062011-02-07T16:00:55.071+00:002011-02-07T16:00:55.071+00:00Thanks Anon but things are not that straightforwar...Thanks Anon but things are not that straightforward.<br /><br />This was not the Anglican Church and I had been both selected and trained. I hold a certificate telling me that I have achieved the learning outcomes required by the Lutheran Church at the point of ordination and a letter from my presiding Bishop telling me that I had passed my final examination and had the potential to be a good pastor.Sirhttp://whydowehavetodothissir.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-37728725005044484092011-02-07T15:16:39.980+00:002011-02-07T15:16:39.980+00:00What Fran said. That's as articulate as I can ...What Fran said. That's as articulate as I can be about this.susan s.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03679099677585214433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-42603450884364277962011-02-07T12:05:18.301+00:002011-02-07T12:05:18.301+00:00Hmmm, so many people can be deeply hurt and feel b...Hmmm, so many people can be deeply hurt and feel betrayed through failure to be recommended for ordination. If it helps let me explain that there are three categories of people: the absolutely yes, the absolutely no, and the ones in the middle.<br />Sometimes churches err on the side of caution and don't put people through, other times they are adventurous and give people the benefit of the doubt.<br />Not being recommended, at this time, in the C of E is what it says - it is not a rejection of the person, rather a 'not now'.<br />The process hurts such a lot.<br />And if people are ordained but then can't find the right post, or are elbowed out, that hurts even more.<br />God bless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-1590070543450821732011-02-06T23:14:37.732+00:002011-02-06T23:14:37.732+00:00Wot Jim Said. [Been there, done that]
Nothing wis...Wot Jim Said. [Been there, done that]<br /><br />Nothing wise to say---just {{{hugs}}}JCFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14516376500318551838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-30385661152272457592011-02-06T21:05:14.360+00:002011-02-06T21:05:14.360+00:00Yes, what Grandmere said, indeed! I am glad to rea...Yes, what Grandmere said, indeed! I am glad to read this, you are ever in my prayers. And it would seem to me that you do have a future in ministry, how impoverished we would all be without you.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-41813112326743206452011-02-06T19:44:24.378+00:002011-02-06T19:44:24.378+00:00What Grandmere saidWhat Grandmere saidErika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-41801474054292501292011-02-06T18:48:27.393+00:002011-02-06T18:48:27.393+00:00"I know this will probably be interpreted as ..."I know this will probably be interpreted as mischief making but I felt there was material in there that needed to be heard and reflected upon."<br /><br />Of course it will, until they are finally open to hearing you. Don't hold your breath.Leonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-69536407446968958092011-02-06T18:20:49.144+00:002011-02-06T18:20:49.144+00:00Oh Jack! You're in my prayers every single da...Oh Jack! You're in my prayers every single day. I know in my heart that the Lord has work for you to do yet. I may come back to say more, when I'm not feeling so much, when the tears are gone. The tears are bittersweet, rather than entirely sad tears, because I have hope for your future ministry, in whatever form it takes. Godspeed, my friend.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2416690019192389583.post-84208501133956316042011-02-06T17:22:05.896+00:002011-02-06T17:22:05.896+00:00In my part of the world, those of us chewed up and...In my part of the world, those of us chewed up and spit out by what TEC grandly calls, "the ordination process" call it the Cuisinart. I am sorry you have experienced why. There is life, and even ministry beyond it. Good travels.<br /><br />FWIW<br />jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.com